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11-15-2009 06:22 PM
I'm thinking about trying to get a mandrel for pens and maybe also handles for the other things they sell out there. I picking your more experienced brains. If you only had a little money to spend, have an older craftsman lathe, and would like to make a few pens and handles for ice cream scoops, mirrors, etc which mandrel and other accessories would you start with. I have figured out that the mandrels come in different sizes usually with a drill bit.
The more I learn about the bible and woodworking the more I realize I have so much to learn
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11-16-2009 02:22 AM
Several companies carry mandrels for pen making. I would suggest an adjustable mandrel, called the Professional at Woodcraft. Usually about $20 plus tax. Generally cheaper to pay sales tax than shipping charges unless you find a special for free shipping. You will also need bushings for the various pen kits that you plan on turning. At least to begin with, a lot of people end up turning between centers and using a digital caliper for measurement.
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11-16-2009 02:28 PM
All your answers can be obtained at Penn State Industries. WWW.pennstateind.com.
ask for the free pen turning cd.also a cataloge. Marvin
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11-16-2009 03:01 PM
The thing about using a pen mandrel is that it can only be used for pens and not much else. I turn pens using both a mandrel and doing it between centers. For the mandrel definetly go with an adjustable one. That way you can shorten it so that it is just long enough for your specific pen blank and will have less tendency to wobble or flex under the pressure of the chisels. As was said, Penn State Industries is a good source and there are a number of others places as well for information and supplies for pen making such as "Arizona Silhouette" , "Craft Supplies USA" , "Beartooth Woods" and many others. Turning between centers is great as you get no flex and no problems with out of round blanks. You get the hang of using calipers pretty quick and I go by those as opposed to the bushings as not all bushings are made to the same tolerances and they do get worn down over time from use due to chisles and sanding. You do have to have get 60 degree pointed live and dead centers that will go into the holes of the bushings and you only do 1 piece at a time as opposed to doing 2 like on a slimline or other two piece pen. For my other turnings I use a 4 jaw chuck or face plates. I picked up a tap to make threads that will fit on the threads of my lathe drive so I make my own wood face plates out of scrap wood.
While cost is always a concern, don't limit yourself to only one method for holding you work. If I could only have one chuck I would look to a 4 jaw chuck as you can do more things with it. Pen making is a lot of fun and addicting. While there are a number of folks here on the Wood Forums that turn pens, you would benefit from dealing with folks who do it a lot. Check out the "International Association of Penturners" and look into their forums there. You will get more information than your brain can hold and there are a lot of nice folks who are happy to help out newbies.
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11-16-2009 04:24 PM - last edited on 11-16-2009 04:26 PM
I just bought a 1MT mandrel from Woodcraft for my old Craftsman for about $13.00. It comes with the 7mm bushings for the slim line pens and pencils. I wasn't sure if I wanted to tackle pens, but I love it . I told the LOL tonight that I wished that I had tried them earlier. I turned 11 pens & 1 pencil since yesterday. When you decide to get a mandrel, go ahead and pickup a couple of bars of Hutt's PPP wax to make those pens shine. Get the brown for a satin finish and after buffing, use the white to make it glossy. Folks at the office are getting pens for Christmas this year.
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11-16-2009 04:55 PM
I guess I should have been more specific. I have the free cd from penn state. That has what has got me started thinking about it. I noticed in the catalog that they sent with the cd that there was 7mm, 8mm, 10mm and more. I wondered which of these would be most versatile in covering the most money if only I was able to buy one of them.
If I was going to turn between centers do I still drill the hole first and still insert the tube before turning?
Also I was wondering would I need that tool that trims the ends to the end of the insert or is there another way to trim it without buying a tool?
The more I learn about the bible and woodworking the more I realize I have so much to learn
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11-16-2009 06:36 PM
j_bhwy151 wrote:I guess I should have been more specific. I have the free cd from penn state. That has what has got me started thinking about it. I noticed in the catalog that they sent with the cd that there was 7mm, 8mm, 10mm and more. I wondered which of these would be most versatile in covering the most money if only I was able to buy one of them.
If I was going to turn between centers do I still drill the hole first and still insert the tube before turning?
Also I was wondering would I need that tool that trims the ends to the end of the insert or is there another way to trim it without buying a tool?
There are various sizes of pen tubes that coincide with the different types of pens, but you only need 1 mandrel as it is a standard diameter to fit 7mm tubes. You slide the bushings over the mandrel and then slide the pen blank with the 7mm brass tube inserted. For the larger size pen tubes you have different bushings specifically designed for those pens. These bushings will have the same interior diameter so that they will fit properly on the mandrel, but then their outside diameters will be different and will have a tongue (for lack of a better term) that will be the proper size for the larger pen tubes. If you look "HERE" on Penn State Industries (PSI) site, you can see the different types of bushings as well as the tongue that goes into the pen tubes.
As for turning between centers, you have to prepare the pen blank just the same by drilling the hole, gluing in the tube and milling the ends square. The difference is that you don't use a mandrel but use 60 degree centers like this:
You will slide the bushings into the pen tube (this will not work for Slimline or other 7mm pens as they do not slide into the tube but butt up against the the outside of the pen tube) and then the points of the centers go into the holes of the bushings. You DO NOT turn between centers without bushings as the 60 degree centers will flare the ends of the tubes and cause cracking of your pen blank.
As for milling the ends of the pen blanks, you can use a pen mill or they have jigs that you can attach to a disk sander and do it that way. "HERE" is one from Penn State Industries (PSI). Many people will make one for themselves. Regardless, you have to square the ends one way or another or the pen blank and the pen hardware will have gaps.
I would recommend starting off using a mandrel to get some experience and it will be cheaper to start up with. Once you get turning for awhile you will learn what you like and don't like as there are lots of spiffy gizmos and gadgets out there that don't necessarily benefit the turner but look really cool.
If you have any other questions about pen turning, feel free to PM or email me and I will try to help you out if I can. I don't know enough to be good, I know enough to be dangerous. You also got some other folks here that do a fair amount of pens Like William Young who frequents the Woodturning forum and also has a private woodworking site "HERE" with a number of folks who do pens along with a number of good "how to" videos for pen finishing.
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http://www.awcreationsandwoodcrafts.com
"Graze in every man's field, but always give your own milk."
J.V. McGee
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11-17-2009 07:17 AM
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11-17-2009 05:19 PM
Thanks guys that helped a lot. I still don't know if I can start another branch of woodworking. I already have more addiction than I have time for. My full time job is getting in the way of my passion. But this pen thing sure looks like a lot of fun.
Does the handles on the mirrors and magnifying glasses ect. use this same method? Looks like it is possible
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11-17-2009 06:53 PM
In a word...yes. Same principals and mandrel just different sized bushings.
