09-05-2010 06:19 PM
Alright guys, I'm looking for opinions again. I think I'm going to gamble on Steel City for the 5 year warranty and price. My current question is are 12" table saws worth the increase in price? What are the advantages to a 12" saw? Sorry if I'm becoming annoying with all the questions but I want this to be my last saw for many years.
09-05-2010 06:44 PM
the saying bigger is better is not always true. In all the years I have been woodworking, I have never needed a 12" saw. The Price of a 12" blade is enough to stay away. On the other hand if you think you need the added capacity, then go for it.
09-05-2010 07:07 PM
10" Cabinet saws are the commercial standard. Few applications need more depth of cut. Only if you have a specific need would the larger saw make sense. I'd upgrade to a higher end saw before I sprung for the 12". By the way, the 10" doesn't appear on the 2010 brochure.
09-06-2010 06:31 AM
To second what Dan said. The cost of quality 12" blades can be prohibitive.
For a hobbyist and most professionals, the thickest you will generally rip is maybe 3" (12/4). This can be done with a good 10" 5 hp saw (I do it upon occasion). If you were going to rip 16/4 (4") wood on a regular basis - I would say go for a 12" saw - otherwise why bother? Most 10" saws will rip to 3 1/8" (sometimes a bit more) - that's generally all you will need.
How often will you ever rip (or need to rip) anything over 12/4? How often can you afford to buy anything over 12/4 ? Can your back stand the strain of lifting anything over 12/4??
IMO - a 10" 5 hp saw is worth it. A 12" 5 (or 7.5) hp might give you bragging rights - but little real use of it's capabilities.
09-06-2010 08:20 AM
Agreed. What originally got me thinking of larger saws was seeing a Powermatic 72 for sale for like $1,100 and was seduced by the coolness. That should say testosterone right on there.
09-06-2010 01:19 PM
09-06-2010 08:06 PM
How's this: If you buy the 12" saw; if it comes equipped with a blade, and if the saw will accomodate a 10" blade, you could use a 10" blade on most work. If you needed the added capacity of a 12" cut, then, just swap blades. Now, you understand that I have not researched the difference in the cost of the saws or blades. If this scenario would work, and if the used Powermatic is still available and is in good condition, I would be tempted to get it. I would suspect that most 12" ones are used commercially, so it could have a lot of wear on it.
09-06-2010 08:23 PM
There is the slight problem with arbor size. Most 12" saws have an 1" arbor. Most of your 10" blades are 5/8".
I don't know if (or how many) 10" blades are available with a 1" arbor. The other thing to think about are dado sets. You can easily get dado sets with a 5/8" arbor. I shudder to think about how much the 1" arbor dado sets cost.
09-06-2010 11:02 PM - edited 09-07-2010 03:48 AM
Just my .02. If you have the money I say hooey with all this justification stuff. This is your hobby, it's supposed to be fun. I have friends tell me they just don't see why I spend so much money on tools, but yet they have snow machines, boats, campers ect that get very little use. They don't think of justification when they buy that ''Stuff"'.
A larger saw usually comes with a lager table top (mine is 38'' x 48'' plus the table to the right lots of support), real nice if you cut much plywood. You ever watch some try to cut a full sheet of plywood on a contractor saw? Even though it's not often it’s nice to whack 4x4 in half with one cut.
If you want to run a 10'' blade on a 12 inch saw there not that hard to come by. You may have to order it but saw manufactures will sell you all the 10'' saw blades with a 1 inch arbor you want. I have a 8" dado blade with a 1'' arbor hole I got from Jesada tools. I have a 10'' Leitz with a 1'' arbor I got from a local saw shop right off the wall. It's all very doable if you want it are willing to spend the money. You only live once have fun.
I sure like my old big saw, do I really need it? No, but I really like using it.
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